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The Gould Standard, a podcast featuring stories from artistic heroes, just released their latest interview with Dr. Ahmad Sarmast, founder of the Afghanistan National Institute of Music (ANIM).

Since 2016, Ron Davis Álvarez has helmed Dream Orchestra, connecting young people, including newly arrived refugees, through ensemble music. This year, his work has been recognized by CNN Heroes, a long-running initiative that honors the creative and selfless efforts of people around the globe to make the world a better place.

We’ve long known that music-making builds transferable skills, but a recent article in The Conversation confirms it.